Well- that’s a tough one. I know that the riot rims are unusual- they tend to be very narrow. But I’m not sure what would be the perfect skirt would be for that boat. I made a call to an old Riot rep this morning to see what he thinks. I see that you ordered a dry top over the weekend as well- do you want me to hold shipping on that to see if we have a skirt that might work for you?
-J

I’m looking for good skirt for Riot Mugnum 72.
I’ve tried several model, but I haven’t found one can fit well.
According to your fit chart, the Large Rim fits to Magnum, but according to my experience, large rim is to wide and med rim is too short and too wide.
I’ve tried IR super bungee medium rim (blue Superman design), Palm shock cord with kevler large rim, MTI medium rim.
Now I’m using cagdeck from Rage-in-Wear, and it fits better than the others, but still a little bit loose, and it’s not very reliable to creeking.
Thank for your attention about my problem.

I custom ordered a c1 shockwave skirt with several modifications on Thursday and received it on Monday! I was very impressed in my interactions with John Weld. He was informative, said he would call me back in 5 minutes (and did), and nailed the skirt fit.

Thanks John and IR!

Those skirts are indeed designed to be waterproof. In addition, the materials we use are made by an ISO certified factory that ensures that they are waterproof, and the construction method we use for those is a relatively simple and very effective way of keeping the skirts waterproof. On very, very rare occasions we see skirts that may leak at the seams, but this is exceptional, and almost always see that on well-worn skirts. The point is that while I do not want to rule out the possibility of a leaky skirt, I will say that is unlikely. What is almost certainly the problem is that the rim design is not very good- or at least not a great rim design for spray skirts. Rim design- even on serious whitewater boats, where dry skirts are essential- runs the gamut from very good, to shamefully poor. And when you get to a rim the size of the XP 10, it’s hard to keep it dry under the best of circumstances. Imagine that the best rim shape is a perfect circle (where you have equal force from the bungee pulling from all sides inwards), and now stretch that out where it’s big enough where you get long, straight sections on the sides and back of the skirt. These are very hard to seal well- the bungee rests against them, but does not really forcefully pull tight. I’m not exactly sure why Shane Benedict- who designed that boat, and who is a very, very good boat designer- made the rim that big, but part of the reason is that he must feel that most users of that boat would rather have a spacious cockpit entry rather than a dry skirt. The rim will hold a skirt OK, and add a lot of rigidity to the deck of the boat, but thats about it.

At any rate- I am saying all of this without actually seeing the skirt, and there is always a chance the skirt is leaking. We have a definitive testing device here for that and I would be happy to test it for you if you like. If there is any problem, we will take care of it right away. Let me know what you think- at the end of the day I want you to be 100% happy with what offer,

-John

Well, You have two issues. First and foremost, the Dagger g-force rim is very poorly designed (Sorry Snowy). There’s really no way around that, and we get a lot of “my skirt leaks” or “my skirt implodes” customer service issues because of it. The Dagger rim flares up a lot on the sides, and it’s hard to keep a skirt on that shape, period. The second issue is that the shockwave is really our most basic entry-level skirt. It works well for your typical class II-III paddler, with the key component is that it’s easy to get on. Thats the way that entry-level skirts have to be made. The downside of that is that if you mix an easy-to-get-on (loose) skirt with a difficult rim, you get implosions and leakage. Now, we do make a bunch of other skirts that would work much better than the shockwave on the G-force, but they are more expensive and harder to get on. The SBD skirt would be one option, and either of our rand skirts would be an improvement. I know thats not what you want to hear, but that’s the really the truth of the matter. Its a shame, because the only tool that we have as skirt makers to fix all of the lousy rim shapes that are out there is to make the skirts tighter and tighter, and harder and harder to get on. And now that there are literally 100’s of rim sizes out there, it’s really impossible to make all of our customers happy. Anyway. I’ll get off my soap box.

The Jefe, while still not a great rim design, is better than the G-force, and the shockwave should grip that rim better.

At the end of the day, I want you to be happy with our products, and i want to help you as much as I possibly can, but this is kind of a difficult problem to fix. At any rate, let me know your thoughts and we’ll go from there.

-John